A podcast covering topics from Classical Antiquity. New episodes drop monthly(ish). Movie and TV reviews included.
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I run a monthly(ish) podcast covering topics from Classical Antiquity Sidequest. It covers topics from Classical Antiquity. Movie and TV reviews are included.
Dr. Sarah Bond, Roanoke, Virginia native and author of the hit book Strike: Labor, Unions, and Resistance in the Roman Empire, stopped by the podcast to talk about how people engaged in collective action in Antiquity. In addition to discussing how Roman workers engaged in actions that are similar to the modern labor movement, such as by forming collegia of various types, we cover a lot of topics including why Roanoke is so great, how we should approach the study of history and the power that laborers have. Another topic we get into is how the Roman state restricted collegia and why Christians were persecuted. And if that weren’t enough, we also discuss the Mint Strike during Aurelian’s reign. Not to give away the ending, but as Omar warned us, “You come at the king, you best not miss.”
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
I decided to start writing reviews of books I read or listen to that deal with topics from Antiquity. I hope you all enjoy these and find them informative. Hopefully, these reviews will be a good way to add more content to the site. So, here goes …
The first book getting reviewed here is Gates of Fire, Stephen Pressfield‘s novel about the Battle of Thermopylae (although it is really more of an ode to Sparta and “Spartan culture” as the battle shows up late and takes up a relatively small amount of the narrative (the battle doesn’t start until about 245 pages into a 384 page book)). I read Gates of Fire like 20 years ago and I remember enjoying it. Over the years, I’ve recommended it to others and discussed it whenever it came up. One of my favorite parts of the book is the line Dienekes uttered about fighting the battle in the shade. I think the reason the book stuck with me is because I was pretty young when I read it and almost certainly had a lot of thoughts about getting my name forever mentioned in the history books (you know, the kind of thing that most young, dumb kids think about). Because of these fond memories, I bought it for my son thinking that he might like it. He was 15 or 16 then, so it seemed like it might be the right age for him. Anyway, he never read it which made me decide to read it again.
My basic thought on the book is that it is a book for dudes, a book for the kind of people that Denis Leary mentioned in “A**hole” when he sang the line, “I like … books about war”. The book, a fairly well-written and captivating narrative, albeit a repetitive one, is designed to appeal to traditional masculine concepts about duty, sacrifice and noble deaths. In addition to those themes, you can also find the over-used “Women totally bought into this and are super noble and powerful in their own way and, at times, their nobility and power will overpower Mark Zuckerberg’s masculine energy” (also, Zuck has a ridiculously punchable face). One of the best examples of this narrative trope can be found at the end of The Quiet Man when Maureen O’Hara takes charge of her home and shuts her brother up.
There’s a lot about the specifics of this period of Greek history that I’m not familiar with, so I won’t get into whether Gates of Fire is historically accurate. Instead, my main discussion will relate to what I think Pressfield could’ve done to make the book better and what I think is the biggest problem with the book.
To begin with, I think that the book spent too much time talking about how great Sparta was. While some of the focus on “Spartan culture” is necessary to set the scene and provide some background regarding Ancient Greek and Spartan society, the novel devoted too much time making Spartan culture heroic. And doing that is what, for me, is the book’s biggest problem for. In talking up Spartan culture, there is an implied acceptance / justification of the slave society and police state upon which that society was based.
It’s extremely problematic for Pressfield to present a slave-based culture in the light that he did. When reading the book, I thought about what a film professor taught me years ago (and this is a paraphrase) – when you make a movie about the past, it doesn’t matter what you’re saying about the past. What matters is what you’re saying about today. This is because the past is a great narrative tool to discuss present problems. When telling a story set in the past, comments about the present can be snuck into the narrative. The same is true with sci-fi – futuristic and alien worlds are a perfect way to explore problems with the present and to comment about current events.
And that’s what, in my opinion, Pressfield got wrong. He made the slave-based culture that was Sparta too acceptable, too necessary and to some extent, too natural. Recall that the Spartans are presented as Xeones’ savior and they become necessary protectors. By portraying Sparta that way, there’s an implicit adoption of the need for a strongman and militaristic culture. I’m not suggesting that there’s an actual endorsement of these things, including Spartan slavey, at play here by Pressfield. But what I am suggesting is that when all of Spartan society is made to look heroic and the only way to fend off the Persians, readers have no choice but to assume that the basis of that society (slavery, limited social mobility, oligarchical structure, police state in many respects, etc.), is necessary. (It is at times like this that I wish I had more knowledge about women in Ancient Sparta. Due to that lack of knowledge, I don’t feel comfortable discussing how they were portrayed in the book beyond saying it was a stereotypical portrayal.) I don’t think by any means that the author intended to convey that message, but a book like this could easily be misused by some of the worst among us to support such narratives.
That misuse becoames more likely when the book focuses almost entirely on the Spartans and what they did at Thermopylae at the expense of the rest of the Greeks. Pressfield makes it seem like the other Greeks who were at Thermopylae played a minimal role and it is implied that the battle couldn’t have occurred without the Spartans. This is kind of odd given that, and this gets into what little I know about Greek Antiquity, the Greek forces totaled around 7,000 and consisted of a large number of non-Spartans. Here’s a brief, and incomplete, list of the Greek combatants I pulled from my copy of Herodotus’ Histories:
300 Spartans;
500 from Tegea;
500 from Mantinea;
120 from Orchomenus;
1000 from Arcadia;
400 from Corinth;
200 from Philus;
80 from Mycenae; and
Many, many others.
Also, I recall something about Sparta religious practices keeping limiting the number of Spartans involved initially. But I’ll leave the rest of the research to the readers and to the experts.
An additional critique I have derives from the fact that I think I’m getting fairly impatient in my old age and want books to get to the point quickly. I think Pressfield could’ve made this significantly shorter and gotten to the battle more quickly. And this isn’t a knock on Pressfield specifically, it’s more a comment on my losing battle with patience. For example, I recently stopped reading a book by Martin Amis that I enjoyed because I thought he should’ve cut about a third of it out. In order to provide the necessary historical background and set the stage without lionizing Sparta, Pressfield should’ve focused more on Greek political dynamics surrounding the Persian invasion and the Greek response. A political thriller would’ve been more entertaining and intriguing than the ode to Sparta this turned into.
Another critique I have about the book is that the nobility theme was repeated a bit much. I wouldn’t recommend this, but if you took a drink each time nobility or sacrifice are mentioned, you’d be dangerously intoxicated pretty quickly. If you do decide to try it, and I wouldn’t, make sure you have a sober friend nearby or are otherwise drinking within stumbling distance of a hospital.
One thing that I do like about this book is that the Persians are portrayed better than they are in other modern representations of Thermopylae (like 300). I don’t think that I would read this again. I would, however, read another Pressfield book as he’s a pretty good writer. And I’m a white male in my 40s which means I’m contractually obligated to read books about war.
Those are my thoughts on the book. Let me know what you think about what I think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
In response to a suggestion from Dr. Rhiannon Garth Jones, I reached out to Dr. Shaily Patel at Virginia Tech (GO HOKIES!) to see if she would come on the podcast. Turns out she was willing to do so and this led to a discussion about the complex relationship between early Christianity and magic. This includes how early Christians employed heresy to attack and marginalize non-Christian practitioners of magic (looking at you, Augustine). Dr. Patel has covered this topic thoroughly and written a book about it that is very, very good. Please check out the book. You will enjoy it.
In addition to covering the complex role that early Christianity and Christians had with magic, we discuss the state of higher education, how we should discuss history and the complexities involved in putting together historical narratives, the D.C. Comics character John Constantine, the brilliant TV show Grimm and The Dresden Files. Don’t judge us.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
Our friend Amy Pistone returns to the podcast to educate us on drinking habits in Ancient Greece. During this episode, we’ll hear about the current climate in higher education and discuss the uncertainty professors have. We will also cover what would go down at a symposium and how people in Antiquity knew how to play drinking games. And, if that weren’t enough, we answer a question that has stumped scholars for centuries – was Odysseus a woo girl, or did he just keep it real? Listen and find out.
Your reading assignments include Glorious Exploits and Sarah Bond’s Strike. Given the number of times that Strike has been suggested as a book to read, isn’t it time for Dr. Bond to come on the podcast? I think so.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
Victor returns to the podcast to discuss 2004’s Troy. But not just Troy. No, we skip the theatrical release version and go straight into the 196 minute (not a typo) director’s cut. Why did we do this? Good question.
Anyway, we take some time to figure out what went wrong with this movie, what good parts it had and, of course, we talk about Deep Blue Sea (there’s a connection here, trust me). We also point out that the ending sequence for the Trojans in this movie was really, really idiotic. Most important, we raise a significant issue that should be studied by film historians – does throwing in an exploding volcano make a movie better? Listen and find out.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
Our friend Monica Cyrino returned to the podcast to discuss Those About to Die and the upcoming Christopher Nolan film, The Odyssey. Those About to Die is a Peacock series which is set in the Flavian dynasty. It’s an ambitious project that has some good parts and some not so good parts. If we were to give it one of our movie review ratings, I’d give it a Probus. It is worth watching as there are some good moments that are historically accurate. There are some other moments that are … not.
We also get into the futures game and play a version of conference realignment talk by discussing what shape The Odyssey may take. It’s an ambitious project and, to be honest, I’m not sure I see a movie in the source material absent extensive editing and rewrites. And, if that happens, I’m certain the notoriously happy OnlineClassics folks will react with calm, quiet reflection. Narrator: They won’t.
We conclude the podcast by talking about a few projects that Dr. Cyrino is working on which I highly recommend.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
As we all know, people spend a lot of time thinking about Rome. If you’ve ever wondered why that is, Dr. Rhiannon Garth Jones just published All Roads Lead to Rome, a book that attempts to answer and explain just why it is that so many of us think about Rome and why we’ve done it for so long. In addition to that, we cover a lot of topics including writing styles, an ongoing issue with historical cognitive dissonance when it comes to our understanding of Rome and some troubling and problematic invocations of Rome. We also cover a very interesting want to know more section of her book and how it incorporates new and emerging forms of scholarship.
And while you’re reading stuff, why don’t you pick up a copy of Dr. Garth Jones’ book? It’s pretty darned good.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
Our old friend Dr. Gerrishreturned to the podcast to explain how it is that Caesar’s Civil War happened. While we all may know that Caesar and Pompey ended up fighting, we would all probably struggle to explain why that happened. During our interview, Dr. Gerrish explains the factors that led to the war, who ended up on which side and what the result of the war was for the Roman state. We also cover how some Roman elites during this era relied on “the people” as a power base without actually caring about “the people”. Consistent with that, we talk about how Caesar committed lots of crimes and then toppled the Roman state to avoid prosecution for said crimes. Cheerful stuff. In addition, we discuss Dr. Gerrish’s books which I recommend to all of you.
And I also go full “Old Man Yells At Clouds” complaining about the problems created by the Social Media Age. To paraphrase Sideshow Bob, I’m aware of the irony of utilizing social media in order to decry it, so don’t bother pointing that out.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
After our episode with Dr. Nat Katz on Roman regime change, I wanted to learn more about the Roman state’s governmental structures. That led me to an excellent article by Dr. Benjamin Straumann about whether Rome had a constitution. After reading it, I reached out to Dr. Straumann to see if he would be willing to discuss the idea of Rome’s constitution and, fortunately, he agreed to. The result is an episode covering whether Rome had a constitution, the ways in which Rome’s leaders expressed constitutional norms and how the framework of Rome’s constitution came into existence.
We also discuss the concept of a “constitutional crisis”, which is a term that is used a lot but is probably not well-defined and is imprecisely utilized. Turns out Dr. Straumann wrote a book on the subject which I would recommend to you.
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.
In an effort to help bridge the gap between “Byzantine” and Roman history, I reached out to Madeleine Duperouzel to see if she’d be interested in talking about Empress Theodora. Madeleine was more than happy to, so the result is an outstanding episode regarding a legendary figure in Roman history. After briefly covering finicky weather patterns, we discuss Theodora’s life, her historical significance and how she has been treated by her contemporaries and by later historians. This naturally involves a discussion about the historical inkblot that is The Secret History (I explain the inkblot reference in the episode, but if you search for “Bork 9th Amendment inkblot”, you’ll find what I’m talking about). We also cover the general hostility that a specific group of men felt towards Theodora and the unique control over her life that she possessed.
To get more updates on history from Madeleine, please check subscribe to her Substack, The Empress of Byzantium. It’s really good!
The theme music is from Brent Arehart. Please call the pod (540-632-0160), leave a message and you’ll get in an episode. Let me know what you think about what we think in the comments, on Bluesky, on Mastodon, on Reddit, or on Instagram.
And never forget that The Classical Antiquity Sidequest is a podcast without end.